Jiří Thýn: I Try to Work with Photography as if I Were Painting Sandra Baborovská

Thanks to the COVID era, curators and artists have got used to communicating online. During the preparation of the exhibition, they saw each other mostly on a screen for many months. This interview, which was conducted via email and WhatsApp, was no exception. Yet, it did not lose its warmth and does not lack surprising answers: This is probably due to the fact that Jiří Thýn and Sandra Baborovská have known each other for twelve years. And the current exhibition directly refers to the one they prepared together ten years ago.

Jiří Thýn, spatial morphology No. A_B0A6752, (origin: H. Wichterlová, Portrait of Vincenc Makovský, 1928), 2021, black and white photo, 100×140 cm
Jiří Thýn, spatial morphology No. A_B0A6752, (origin: H. Wichterlová, Portrait of Vincenc Makovský, 1928), 2021, black and white photo, 100×140 cm
Jiří Thýn, spatial morphology No. A_B0A6754 (origin: H. Wichterlová, Portrait of Vincenc Makovský, 1928), 2021, color photograph, 100×140 cm
Jiří Thýn, spatial morphology No. A_B0A6754 (origin: H. Wichterlová, Portrait of Vincenc Makovský, 1928), 2021, color photograph, 100×140 cm
Jiří Thýn, spatial morphology No. A_B0A6763, (origin: H. Wichterlová, Portrait of Vincenc Makovský, 1928), 2021, color photograph, 100×140 cm
Jiří Thýn, spatial morphology No. A_B0A6763, (origin: H. Wichterlová, Portrait of Vincenc Makovský, 1928), 2021, color photograph, 100×140 cm
Jiří Thýn, spatial morphology No. A_B0A6880, (origin: H. Wichterlová, Portrait of Vincenc Makovský, 1928), 2021, black and white photo, 100×140 cm
Jiří Thýn, spatial morphology No. A_B0A6880, (origin: H. Wichterlová, Portrait of Vincenc Makovský, 1928), 2021, black and white photo, 100×140 cm

Sandra Baborovská (*1982) works as a curator at the Prague City Gallery where she has prepared over twenty exhibitions, mostly of contemporary art. Shortly after she joined the gallery, she created the long-term After the Velvet exhibition. She also collaborated both on the concept of the Start-up series for emerging artists and on recent exhibitions for the (no longer existing) exhibition space on the 2nd floor of the Old Town Hall (Archetypes, Space, Abstraction). The focus of her professional interest is sculpture of the 19th and 20th centuries and contemporary art. In 2020, she curated the Light Underground project within the Art for the City programme, the continuation of which she is currently preparing. She graduated in art history from Charles University and the Academy of Arts, Architecture and Design in Prague.

Q          Hi, Jirka! How are you spending your spring days?

J T       We’re with the kids, “Secluded, Near Woods”. In the orchard of our friend, the sculptor Honza Haubelt, we have an old circus-type of caravan; we converted it into a bungalow years ago and we spend a lot of time here. A small artistic community of friends established itself here and they visit regularly.

Q          As you mentioned Jan Haubelt, let me ask: is the Ládví group, which you founded in 2005 with Adéla Svobodová and Tomáš Severa, still active?

J T       The Ládví group is no longer active. We closed it down when we failed to push through the creation of a contemporary art centre in the Ládví housing estate. Now we are planning something like a comeback in the autumn to support a small independent gallery space that the collective around Alternativa II has managed to open in the former space of a grocery store. But we see it as a one-off event.

Q          What did you want to be as a child?

J T       A lot of things. I think every age brings with it some ideas of what you want to be. I got to photography by accident at secondary school. I also seriously considered art history and theology. Circumstances led me to photography.

Q          We met in 2009, during the preparation of the long-term After the Velvet exhibition at the Golden Ring House. You exhibited photograms there which you still do even today. What interests you about the return to this “Man Ray-esque” principle?

J T       In the case of photograms, it’s immediacy. I started to work with photograms at a time when I was experiencing scepticism about the devaluation of photographic images. At that time, I had neither the desire nor very many reasons to take photographs. I solved this by starting to build my relationship with photography from the very beginning. I looked for new ways of expression and began to experiment with photograms. I came up with a technique of working with the exposure of photographic paper; it allows me to use light as a pencil. So, it’s not like what Man Ray used to do in his time, which was putting things on paper and then exposing them using light. Photography is essential for me also for other reasons. What is essential for me is its symbolic subtext. The relationship between light and time, which should be in harmony, is essential for the creation of a photographic image. In some of my works from that period, I use a black-and-white gradient which is created by the gradual, continuous exposure of the photographic paper. For me, this is a strongly symbolic moment, referring precisely to the passage of time. I try to make sure that each step in the painting has its own meaning and is not just reduced to an aesthetic function.

Q          You used this principle of the black-andwhite gradient, black-and-white photography combined with a photogram, in 2011, in our exhibition Archetypes, Space, Abstraction on the 2nd floor of the Old Town Hall. What attracts you about the archetypes of works by 20th century sculptors and how does the aforementioned exhibition differ from the one we are organizing at the GHMP this year?

J T       I can’t say that I am programmatically inspired by the work of sculptors. In the case of the Archetypes, Space, Abstraction exhibition, I was interested in space and abstraction in the context of the photographic medium. This is where the idea of working with Cubism and Otto Gutfreund came from. My interest in abstract art then inspired me to formulate a manifesto for “non-narrative” photography. An analytical approach to photography and the image in relation to the theme is still present in my work today, but in a much more relaxed form. I try to work with photography as if I were painting.

Jiří Thýn, spatial morphology No. A_B0A6822, (origin: H. Wichterlová, Portrait of Vincenc Makovský, 1928), 2021, black and white photo, 100×140 cm
Jiří Thýn, spatial morphology No. A_B0A6822, (origin: H. Wichterlová, Portrait of Vincenc Makovský, 1928), 2021, black and white photo, 100×140 cm

Q          Your current exhibition is called Silence, Torso, the Present. Can you talk us through this title and your thinking in preparing the exhibition?

J T       In recent years, my work has focused on the analysis of the birth of a work of art. It’s rather a subjective self-questioning. But I am interested in consciousness as such and how it functions within the creative process. I first thematised this in my series Consciousness as a Basic Assumption. In Silence, Torso, the Present, I am looking for forms of new representation, albeit through traditional photographic processes. Unlike painting, for example, in photography the immediacy and possibility of using the energy of gesture is very limited. I try to work in such a way that it is present in the image.

Q          What appeals to you most about Hana Wichterlová’s work and how did you first encounter it? Is there anything specific about “female” sculpture in your opinion? I’m thinking about the inspiration from the work of Alina Szapocznikow or the spatial sculpture of Katarzyna Kobro.

J T       It’s based on a feeling. I subconsciously perceive certain aspects of their work that are close to me. But I can’t explain why that is. In the case of Kobro and Szapocznikow, it was through photographic reproductions in a professional publication. I only encountered Hana Wichterlová’s work at an exhibition devoted to Josef Sudek’s photographic reproductions. It was a powerful experience for me. At first I had no idea that the authors of these works were women. When I first encounter a work, I don’t consider it important who created it. I don’t see authorship as essential to the meaning of the work. In the larger context, however, I am obviously interested in the author. If I were to be more specific, what captivated me about Wichterlová’s sculptures is their internal integrity and how they are anchored and focused. From her work, which is not very extensive, I sense a kind of singular vision that is timeless in many ways.

Q          In the future, you would like to contribute an artistic intervention to Hana Wichterlová’s studio; what would it look like? Would it be similar to the installation at the House of Photography? Can you please describe your plan? You are also interfering with the exhibition panels as an artist…

J T       I think of the spatial intervention in the House of Photography more as being autonomous objects whose dimensions I adapted to the gallery space. Similarly to photograms or exhibited photographs, the installations are created by layering individual images taken from different angles. I transfer shapes based on Hanna Wichterlová’s sculptures onto plasterboard walls. I then cut them up and layer them on top of each other. This creates an autonomous sculpture, but it carries “Wichterlová’s DNA”, a kind of original information from the shapes of the sculptor’s works. Perhaps in the future, a spatial installation based on an analogous principle will be created in Hana Wichterlová’s studio.

Q          Do you enjoy your work as a teacher? At what institutions have you taught? And how do you remember the photographer Pavel Štecha?

J T       I only have positive memories of him. Pavel Štecha was an open type of person and a teacher, a kind of role model. During my studies, I started to move towards non-commissioned art quite early on. That was a bit outside the context of the studio at that time; it profiled itself more as being utilitarian. Personally, I see teaching primarily as a commitment and a great responsibility. Of course, today’s generation of students is different in many ways. After my experience of teaching at the Scholastika art college and at FAMU, where I headed the studio of post-conceptual photography for several years, I now run the studio of applied photography at the University of Ústí nad Labem together with Václav Kopecký. It’s a great new experience that allows us to pursue a new vision and lead students to greater flexibility and interdisciplinary collaboration. But that would be a topic for a separate conversation.

 

Jiří Thýn (* 1977) graduated from the Academy of Arts, Architecture and Design (Studio of Photography, prof. Pavel Štecha) and also had an internship at the Academy of Fine Arts in Prague (Studio of Painting II / school of Vladimír Skrepl). He took part in several scholarship programmes abroad, for example, a residency in the Photography Studio at TAIK University in Helsinki, PROGR in Bern and FONCA in Mexico City. He often combines his photographic work with installations, paintings, texts and videos. He deals with the medium of photography itself and its overlaps, as well as with other themes, such as space
and composition, and combines traditional photographic techniques with a contemporary post-conceptual approach. He also thematises and explores various photographic techniques, such as photograms. He worked as the head of the Studio of Post-Conceptual Photography at FAMU in Prague and now teaches at Scholastika college and at the Faculty of Art and Design of Jan Evangelista Purkyně University in Ústí nad Labem. He is represented by the hunt kastner gallery. He reached the finals of the Jindřich Chalupecký Award in 2011 and 2012.